and -- >> john mccain said that. >> he's a hero. >> um-hum. >> he's a hero. i don't know why some of our elected officials behavi s behay do. it's rather sad frankly. >> that's on a federal lev. look at the city you ran, the largest city in the nation. what was the tenor of partisanship at that point? >> well, it was great. but when the battle was over, you sort of put away the weapons and -- and, you know, the pitchforks and got out the shovels or something. it -- it was different. it was a hard-fought battle, but i am -- i emerged with better than 50% of the vote in the primary, then i faced rudy, and he is not yet america's mayor. 9/11 has not yet occurred. >> and what is it that put you over the steps. >> and the democrats, and it was 5-6-1. >> you are mayor in this city. in your tenure, all republicans. >> part of the is, my friend mike in the last election, spent well over 1$100 million. >> more of our conversation at 12:00 noon. and we'll talk about what he thinks is the root cause behind president obama's detractors. >>> picking the winners. one exper